Alternativen zum Magic Easy 3d Visualiser?

    Guten Morgen,

    gibt es gute Alternativen zum Visualiser der mit Dmxc kommt? Ich bin mit dem nicht wirklich zufrieden und würde mich gerne nach einer Alternative umsehen.

    Der Visualiser sollte natürlich mit Dmxc funktionieren, also ArtNet fähig sein und die Möglichkeit haben, eigene Fixtures zu erstellen. Kostenlos oder zumindest günstig wäre auch gut, aber schreibt doch mal was ihr für Visualiser kennt/nutzt!


    LG Erik

    Quote from IlluminateXperience

    Guten Morgen,

    gibt es gute Alternativen zum Visualiser der mit Dmxc kommt? Ich bin mit dem nicht wirklich zufrieden und würde mich gerne nach einer Alternative umsehen.

    Der Visualiser sollte natürlich mit Dmxc funktionieren, also ArtNet fähig sein und die Möglichkeit haben, eigene Fixtures zu erstellen. Kostenlos oder zumindest günstig wäre auch gut, aber schreibt doch mal was ihr für Visualiser kennt/nutzt!


    LG Erik

    Ein Weg der hier schonmal angeschnitten wurde: QLC+5 in der Beta Version. Da ist ein Visualizer drinne. Ist noch relativ instabil, aber es funktioniert. Besser als EasyView allemal. Natürlich kein Vergleich zu Capture oder Dependence, die kosten aber auch nen paar Riesen.

    Quote from LightningBrothers

    Hallo Erik!


    Ein Weg ist in diesem Thread beschrieben - und du hast auch ein Beispiel: DMXControl 3 Is More Powerful Than You Realize! (3D Simulation YouTube Demo Video Link)


    Stefan

    Der Ansatz gefällt mir bisher am besten, dass habe ich auch gleich mal ausprobiert. Klappt auch alles soweit, Modelle und Stage-Bau ging ziemlich schnell. Das einzige woran es scheitert, ist einen Input in Pro Dmx 2 zu bekommen. Erst wenn ich mein Net 2/5 Pocket anstecke findet er Dmx-Control, aber auch nur um Werte zu senden, nicht um von Dmxc Werte zu empfangen. Weißt du auf die Schnelle woran es liegt? Ansonsten frage ich mal Shween aus dem Thread wie er es gemacht hat.

    IlluminateXperience


    Thank you for the Tag!


    I have been a bit busy lately, and would hope to possible provide a few screenshots, but let me see if I can give you a small head-Start with this limited information without being in front of the software at the moment.


    If you play around deep in the settings of ProDMX 2, you will find that It can accept up to 4 universes of Art-Net input in the settings.


    You may need to set up a virtual network adapter if you plan on running DMXC and ProDMX on the same machine, but I do not recommend this because ProDMX / Studio DMX is very resource intensive due to what I have found to be many bugs.


    The best way would be to run DMXC on a smaller computer or laptop, and then build your Visual Show in Pro DMX on an separate independent workstation.


    Then, set the network adapters on each machine to the same IP subnet for ArtNet Transmission.


    All of you IPs need to be manually input as static IPs on your PC network interface, and then set manually inside ProDMX.


    Then, when you see that you are successfully receiving DMX input into ProDMX, there is a way to set each fader section/universe as an individual control to receive direct DMX commands. 0-512 in each universe (up to 4 universes)


    It is a bit of a tricky process and took me about a week to figure out (there is very minimal documentation through Chromateq) and seems to almost be a hidden feature in the software.


    Until I have a bit of time to make a series of screenshots that might help explain better, maybe this hint (without looking at the software in front of me) might help if you are determined and just a bit crazy ;) (much like myself haha).

    Hey Shween,

    thank you very much for those Informations! I will be using the method with one Pc, as I simply dont have more than one.

    So I got Pro Dmx to recognise Dmxc as a node with a virtual network adapter. I still cant get Pro Dmx to receive or send anything, but at least I made some Progress.

    Here are some screenshots I took for you, maybe you could help me through those. Otherwise I would really appreciate it, if you sent me screenshots of your configuration, as soon as you find the time to work yourself back into the program!

    It's amazing your actually almost there. I am going to explain the 'Hidden Feature' Now to make it all work.


    I have attached screenshots as detailed as possible:


    1. First, Install Virtual Network Adapter As described in this tutorial (Click Link):

    How to create virtual network adapter in windows 11 or windows 10



    2. Once You Install the adapter, go to Start -> Type Control Panel -> In Control Panel type 'Network' -> Click on 'Network & Sharing Center'



    3. In 'Network and Sharing Center' click 'Change Adapter Settings'


    4. Find the new virtual network adapter 'Microsoft KM-Test Loopback' (I renamed mine to ArtNetLoop) -> Right Click -> Properties -> Double Click 'Internet Protocol Version (TCP/IPv4)'




    5. Change Settings as Follows -> Click OK


    6. Open DMX Control 3 (I am using v3.3.0)

    Go to Settings -> DMX Interfaces -> Add Device - Artistic License -> Art-Net

    [LEAVE ALL SETTINGS DEFAULT ('0')]

    Change 'Additional Sent to IP' to the IP Address your Virtual Network Adapter is set to.


    7. Open Pro DMX 2 -> Create a New Project AND SAVE AS! -> click Tools -> Options -> ArtNet -> Input -> Make Sure Network Adapter is set as your Virtual Loopback IP Address.

    Also Make sure the On/Off Button is Turned ON [GREEN] Click It :)


    8. Now for the Hidden Part. Click the Check Mark at the bottom and you will see this screen.

    Make Sure you are in universe 1 (On the Right) -> CLICK THE 3 DOTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST FADER



    9. In this Window, Copy the Following settings exactly and hit Checkmark. [Only Adjust Setting Circled in Blue]


    10. You should now be controlling ProDMX2 Faders from DMXC!



    11. Now create your fixtures in ProDMX2 and Build your 3d show!






    To add additional universes in Pro DMX 2 (Up to 4) Follow these Steps.


    1. Add another Art Net Device in DMX Control 3. Change the Settings Circled in Blue.


    2. In Pro DMX 2, click 'Universe 2' and click on the 3 dots on channel 1 and enter the same settings as before, but just make sure to select universe 2.



    3.Follow the same steps for Univers 3 and 4 respectively.


    And it should be as 'Simple' as that!


    Let me know if you are able to make this work!


    It may take a couple tries to get everything to talk with each other, but this is how I was able to get it to work.

    Good Evening,

    thank you very much for that detailed tutorial! I really was almost there and now I got it working!

    Although not with ArtNet, but with sACN. I simply couldnt get an Input with ArtNet, so I just tried sACN once and it worked right away!


    Thank you very much for your help! I would have searched waaay longer to find that "hidden" feature.

    Yes! I'm really really happy that you were able to get it to work!


    Funny enough, I have recently switched to sACN since making the original demonstration (due to a bug in the Art-Net firmware of DMX node I had gotten).


    If you couldn't get the ArtNet to work, I was going to recommend trying with sACN, as it seems to use a more direct IP forward.


    I am not quite sure how the developers changed the ArtNet Transmission in 3.3.0, but I am no longer sure how it 'Binds' to an IP anymore without using the 'optional' secondary IP Send parameter in DMX Interface Settings.


    Perhaps LightningBrothers or JPK would know where to point for that updated information 3.3.0?




    Either way, I would be interested to see what you do with it once you are able to create even a small demo! If you can render it out, totally share it here :)


    Congratulations 🎉 🎉 🎉

    Hey there,


    wanna revive this awesome thread a little, if you don't mind. I love your approach Shween!

    I had reproduced everything like you proposed, but so far I've only got this setup to work twice within a timespan of several weeks and to this day it's not reproducable- is there a certain order it HAS to be run?


    I was successfully ingesting ArtNet into Pro DMX 2 on the same machine (WIN 10, KM-Test Loopback Adapter) and controlling faders with my show data originating from DMXC 3.3.0.

    But I just cannot get this to work reliably (or at all anymore). I think I am aware of the ports issues and everything, so now I'm thinking maybe while giving it "just a few more tries" I am always too fast switching between which app to start first (TX or RX) and don't give it enough time for the socket to being released?!


    OR- is this the exact order it has to happen EACH AND EVERY TIME?!

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    7. Open Pro DMX 2 -> Create a New Project AND SAVE AS! -> click Tools -> Options -> ArtNet -> Input -> Make Sure Network Adapter is set as your Virtual Loopback IP Address


    It's sad that there's so little documentation for Pro DMX 2...

    Not even sure if I've got to NOT check the network-adapter to bind to on the startup-dialog and then only later configure it via the settings dialog?


    In the end I tried to switch to using sACN, but couldn't make that work either- probably didn't understand what that configuration needs.

    IlluminateXperience maybe you've got some insights here for me?


    I've also tried setting all of this up between two machines (direct ethernet connection, 2.0.0.x addresses, 255.0.0.0 mask, Firewalls off)- ArtNetView shows that data is transceived (both directions work), but Pro DMX 2 does not get input.


    Wanted to look into QLC+ 5 beta, since it was mentioned here as well- also not working.


    Any suggestions what to check or how to debug? Any good reads?


    Your help is much appreciated.


    Cheers,


    Rob

    Hello roobLight ,

    for me it has been working ever since. It doesnt matter in which order you start Dmxc and ProDmx. To me it sounds like everything you did was correct, giving a comment on the start up dialog, I never configure anything there, just in the settings. You should definetly try sACN, ArtNet didnt work for me either. Watch a Video on it, its not that complicated. Let me know if this helped you!

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    Just as a little closure for me and future historians: I got this working (on a M1 Pro)

    • QLC+ 4 Shows to QLC+ 5 Visualizer
      (any connection)
    • QLC+ 4 Shows to Pro DMX 2 (Studio DMX Visualizer)
      sACN on localhost as unicast(!). Obviously my Vodafone Station can't handle multicast- which must both have been an oversight and a trap as well...

    Will have to switch to my Windows machine shortly and try some more (also with DMX Control) and might update this answer right here.

    Glad I made it- congratulations to myself.


    ... finally I don't have any reason to procrastinate programming our show any more! Or wait- the 3D stage needs a little brush up, still :/

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    Wow! I wish i had seen this earlier. i have been really busy lately, and haven't been to the forum in a little while.

    roobLight ; I am glad you were able to eventually get a working mode going.

    I have not touched the ProDMX Suite in quite some time now. I have been working on a new production machine, and once it is complete. will be running extensive tests with DMXC 3.3 and the ProDMX Visualizer.

    If this build works out, I am hoping to be able to control a theoretical 112 universes by way of DMX control 3.3. It will be a bit of a convoluted endeavor until hopefully a 64 bit version is developed, but I am still trying to push this software to outside-the-box tests and concepts. hahahaha

    [Devs, please save me from my madness :glaskugel: :argh: :argh: :S ]

    ------------------------------------------------------- Google Translated


    Wow! Ich wünschte, ich hätte das früher gesehen. Ich war in letzter Zeit sehr beschäftigt und war schon länger nicht mehr im Forum.


    roobLight; ich freue mich, dass du endlich einen funktionierenden Modus zum Laufen gebracht hast.


    Ich habe die ProDMX Suite schon länger nicht mehr benutzt. Ich arbeite an einer neuen Produktionsmaschine und werde, sobald diese fertig ist, umfangreiche Tests mit DMXC 3.3 und dem ProDMX Visualizer durchführen.


    Wenn dieser Build funktioniert, hoffe ich, theoretisch 112 Universen mit DMX Control 3.3 steuern zu können. Es wird ein etwas kompliziertes Unterfangen, bis hoffentlich eine 64-Bit-Version entwickelt ist, aber ich versuche weiterhin, diese Software zu unkonventionellen Tests und Konzepten zu bringen. Hahahaha